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reid and move on to john boehner. [video clip] >> they are tired of partisan gridlock. i have one goal, to be obama. obama was reelected overwhelmingly. republicans want us to work together. democrats want us to work together. they want to reach a balanced approach to everything, but especially the situation we have with the huge deficit. taxes are a part of that. >> the american people have spoken. they have reelected president obama, and every elected a republican majority. if there was a mandate, it is a mandate for us to find a way to work together on the solutions to the challenges we all face as a nation. my message today is not one of confrontation, but one of conviction. mr. president, this is your moment. we are ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans, but as americans. we want you to lead as president of the united states of america. we want you to succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has eluded us. let's do the right thing together for our country. host: ron, you are up first. what was the message to washington? caller: i really think co
can do, just as john boehner and democratic leadership are limited by the broader environment. >> i am sensitive to this -- everyone in this room should read the fourth volume on lyndon johnson. it is available on cd's. it is 26 cd's long. that is a drive from washington d.c. to tampa, florida, where they had the republican convention, to charlotte, fort bragg, back to charlotte, washington. that is 26 cd's. [laughter] but i have this image of lyndon johnson spinning in his grave at the idea that there is the president of the united states that has minimal interaction of congress, especially some of his own party. let's just forget republicans and tea party people. forget them. just in his own party, wander around the hill, as all of you do all the time, and ask democratic members of congress, how much personal interaction do you have with the president? i hate giving political credit for anything, but they have that piece back in may that pointed out that the president, as of may, had not had a single conversation this year with the their kent conrad, chairman of the senate budget com
in washington. >> i think the good news for the country is that john boehner and his president actually have a pretty good relationship. they like each other. that's a really good starting point. it's something you don't see in washington these days. and all you see between democrats and republicans is acrimony. i think boehner set a great signal yesterday. i think the person who called boehner yesterday and said let's get back to work is a big deal. >> i want to ask you. do the american voters really get the attention of the gop now? do they send a clear message that misogynistic, bigoted, homophobic candidate es just dot fly. how do they get the party back on track? >> losing does a lot more parties, and spending time in the desert does a lot toward figuring out how to get to water. the republican party obviously has a lot of work to do, but i'm encouraged they will get the message, that we understand we've got to be a larger tent. we can't continue to just go after a shrinking -- trying to expand a shrinking demographic and recognize we need more tolerance, more diversity, and more polici
to what the president said today and what speaker john boehner said last week. listen to this. >> you've said that the wealthiest must pay more. would closing loopholes instead of raising rates for them sty y satisfy you? >> i think there are loopholes that should be closed and we should look at how we can make the process of deductions, the filing process easier, simpler, but when it comes to the top 2%, what i'm not going to do is to extend further a tax cut for folks who don't need it. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable and frankly, it couldn't even pass the house. >> well, it feels like a dÉjÀ vu all over again. somebody is going to have to blink or we go over the fiscal cliff. my next guest knows all about fiscal cliff uncertainty and its effect on the individual investor. walter bettinger is ceo of charles schwab. the market certainly feels pessimistic. we are looking at another 200-point decline today. the market is down 5% since the president was re-elected. what are you hearing from clients? >> clients are really concerned. there is pessimism among investors. there's grea
a big deal or grand bargain with the republic speaker john boehner. during election year we haven't heard any of that because they were fighting so much. now the president saying how he wants a deal. speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of that at this point would not be conducive to trying to come to an agreement with the white house. >> so the bottom line is that neither side has -- president at his news conference today or john boehner in his conference have gotten into the tough specifics about what's going to happen to taxes, what's going to happen in terms of spending cuts to try to get a big debt cut maybe up to $4 trillion
the time we have. greta's next. >> greta: tonight, speaker of the house, john boehner reaches out to president obama. what does president obama do? he makes travel plans to leave the country. go figure am meanwhile, we are dangerously close to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> folks, what is going to happen in the next four years fobama is true to form, that's the problem here. the mechanism for recovery is isn't going to be there. >> raising taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription, given where our economy is. >> is it on the table to talk about it -- the wealthier americans -- >> i made it clear yesterday, raising tax rates is unacceptable and it couldn't even pass the house. >> i would like a real republican party to am come back because the democrats need to have their feet held to the fire, also. but you need to have -- [overlapping dialogue] >> you can't have crazies running a party. on both sides. >> by the way, california is where we are head audio california is almost, folks, a microcosm of where the country is headed. >> i mean if they are balkanized out t
to tuesday's election results continues in washington. join us. house speaker john boehner will hold a news conference for it later this afternoon, president obama will speak to the nation. we expect him to speak about the upcoming fiscal cliff. that will be live at 1:05 eastern c-span. j kearney has a briefing schedule that is set for 2:00 p.m. eastern. >> if there is a mandate, is a mandate for us to face the challenges we face. in the weeks and months ahead, we faced a series of challenges and great opportunity. >> the american people want us to work together. they want a balanced approach to everything but especially with the huge deficit and taxes. >> the newly elected congress starts work in january. work is expected on the impending fiscal cliff including the expiration of the bush era tax cuts and possible cuts to domestic and military spending. fall all the debates with live house coverage on c-span and the senate on c-span2. there was a conference yesterday. pollsters participated in a town discussion that talked about economic efforts and how this affects lobbying in the lame- du
age to 67 and cap benefit hikes under social security. obama and house speaker john boehner are due to begin negotiations friday on averting the so-called fiscal cliff of expiring tax cuts and automatic spending reductions set to take effect at the end of the year. speaking in washington, treasury secretary timothy geithner stressed the urgency of reaching a deal. >> i know the cliff is unattractive. it would cause a lot of damage to the american economy. a careful about those who argue and urge for "let's just extend while we negotiate." it will leave a different source of uncertainty on the table, like what would give the people the incentive to come back and do something tough. >> millions of workers in europe have joined a general strike today protesting the wave of spending cuts and tax hikes that has swept the continent in the name of austerity. spanish and portuguese workers are coordinating their strike with work stoppages also planned in greece, italy, france and belgium. we will have more on the strike after headlines. closing arguments have ended in a pretrial hearing to
twice what they negotiated with john boehner unsuccessfully over a year ago. are you willing to give the government $1.6 trillion of private money, and if you did, what in the hell would they do with it? that's the part i don't get. what would they do with all that money? >> not only that, but let me ask america this. where do you have the money to give to the government? if you want to tax the wealthy, then you tax money that goes to investment in businesses, in venture capital, investments that the wealthy take for the middle class. this government and this administration had a choice to make after the election. do you run center, play a clinton move or do you run hard left? we are seeing the obama that i predicted is going to run hard left. he wants to tax the wealthy. by the way, how do you compromise by first telling someone that you need to come to my position, then give me something else and maybe i'll compromise with you? barack obama is not interested in compromise. keith, you just contradicted yourselves. >> mitch mcconnell has been the guy out there saying it, and all repu
the pipeline. mapped door budget cuts kick in in 54 days. house speaker john boehner says it is time for the president to lead. here he is is talking about that. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be lead, not as democrats or republicans but americans. we want you to lead, not as a liberal or conservative but as president of the united states of america. we want you to succeed. bill: stuart varney, anchor of "varney & company", fox business network. the issues on the table are the same issues as monday. we want you to succeed by the way. what did you hear or what are you hearing based on the statements out of the washington now? >> three statements to listen to very carefully. speaker boehner, senate majority leader harry reid, and the big union boss, richard trumka. if you add them all together, tell you exactly what they said in a moment, add them all together the outlines of a deal would look like this. this is on the fiscal cliff. the outlines would possibly look like this. raise taxes, certainly raise tax revenues right now, beginning next year. promise to cut
to tackle the impending fiscal cliff but the president and the speaker of the house john boehner each drawing lines that they say they will not cross. the major hurdles, that threat to send the economy into a tailspin, that's coming up next. >>> plus a nascar race turning into a full-scale brawl. look at this. mayhem breaking out of the everybody going at it. we'll tell you what set it off. after this. ve lately. but because of business people like you, things are beginning to get rolling. and regions is here to help. making it easier with the expertise and service to keep those wheels turning. from business loans to cash management, we want to be your partner moving forward. so switch to regions. and let's get going. together. jenna: well come back, everyone. now let's return to the economy. the president and house speaker john boehner are suggesting they are willing to compromise to prevent our economy from going over that so-called fiscal cliff but both sides are digging in their heels whether or not to race tax rates for the wealthy. rich edson of the fox business network watching
directly to the american people and sell his case. john boehner said this is his moment. his opportunity to leave. shannon: i would like to play a little bit more about what john boehner has said. and then i would like to play more about what brett said about this. but first, what john boehner said to diane sawyer. >> raising taxes is the wrong prescription. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable. frankly, it could not even pass the house. shannon: bret baier is the anchor of special reporting. what is your reaction? we understand that the president will invite congressional leaders over. >> we will also probably here from his senior adviser, david plouffe. the one thing that is interesting, if you look at the polls on the question of income tax rates, you have 47% that want to increase for those about 250,000. no increase for anyone tax increases, and 13%, increases for all. 47% 1,250,000 or above and 48% don't raise them at all or reason for everyone. so, you know, if you look at the exit polls, there is not really a definitive answer there. the republicans are going to say this is not t
to be revenues as well. second, he's rejecting the john boehner approach which is boehner saying i'll agree to revenues as long as they come as a result of economic growth. in other words, we won't legislate changes in taxes. we'll hope that revenues go up. he's saying no, that won't work for me. you're not going to legislate spending cuts. this is the president talking. not legislate revenue changes as well. >> bill: all right. so there are -- the most immediate decision maybe facing the congress is that as you point out, all of the bush tax cuts expire. which means not only the taxes -- tax cuts for the wealthy expire, the tax cuts for those making under $250,000 a year expire as well. so the president said friday all right, the senate has already passed a bill which would give extended tax cutless for the 98%, those making under $250,000. but let the ones for the wealthier people and defined as over $250,000 expire. and he challenged the house of representatives to pass that. what do you think -- so this is a real -- to
not include a tax increase for the wealthiest americans, suzanne. >> jessica, we heard boehner, john boehner, actually within the last 30 minutes or so talking about that there are ways to raise revenue and spending cuts as well in a all options are on the table. do you think the white house sees that as some sort of opening, if you will, to negotiations? >> i think both sides are hopeful there is wiggle room for negotiations. everyby knowthat sething s to gone becauseh economy will take such a serious hit if it doesn't. here is where i see the battle line right now. republicans on capitol hill tell me they are willing to raise revenue. that's a big change. they are willing to raise revenue, but without a change in the tax rates. the president has said that the highest earning americans have to pay more. congressional republicans saying no change to the tax rates. that's a big difference of opinion. they'll have to find a way to bridge that divide. beyond that, they're willing to compromise on entitlements. they're willing to find cuts, so there does seem to be room for compromise. there's a
with john boehner, the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. is he planning on sitting down with those two republican leaders any time soon? is the white house saying? >> reporter: there's nothing announced for a leaders meeting so far. but i am certain, wolf, that that will be coming because there's such important negotiations ahead. i'm told that the president's conversation with speaker boehner was courteous, it was brief. and i'm told that they also discussed the importance of keeping their public statements vague or general enough so that they leave themselves enough private negotiating room to get a deal done to avoid the fiscal cliff, wolf. >> that's probably smart too. thanks very much for that, jessica. let's dig a little bit deeper right now with our chief political analyst gloria borger. isn't his responsibility right now though to take the first step, offer a proposal to boehner, to mcconnell, to the republicans? we assume that the democrats, nancy pelosi would go along and harry reid would go along with the president. >> well, i think as jessica's saying, the president bel
appearances tomorrow between speaker john boehner and president barack obama. the speaker will address a crowd of reporters at 11:00 in the morning. he will take questions from the press. we're told obama will speak at 1:00 in the east room of the white house and will not take questions from reporters. there will be an audience there, but he will not be taking questions. meanwhile, we're getting this report out today from the cbo, which is laying out the scenario of just how bad things would be if we go over the fiscal cliff. let me give you a couple of the key bullet points here. the cbo saying if we go over the cliff the gdp would drop by 0.5% in 2013. it could decline in the first half of the year, but then renewed growth later in the year. and the unemployment rate would rise to 9.1% if we go over the fiscal cliff, but ultimately the cbo saying unemployment would decline to 5.5% by 2018. so, larry, this sets the backdrop for the dueling appearances between boehner first then president obama later in the day. tomorrow the question is, can these two men come back to the deal they were doing
to be back where we started on the edge of a fiscal cliff. president obama and house speaker john boehner haven't budged. yesterday we heard of talk of olive branches and reaching across the aisle. but this evening speaker bonner said this to abc news. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable and frankly couldn't even pass the house. i'm not sure it can pass the senate. >> he could be right about that. he's talking about raising tax rates. jessica yellin reminded us today that the white house has vowed to veto any bill that doesn't extend the bush tax cuts for families making $250,000, less than $250 a year. he's been very explicit. tax rates will be raised for people who make more than that amount of money. so how did the president respond to john boehner's line in the sand? well we haven't heard from him since he returned to washington yesterday. we were told though by the white house this evening he'll make a statement on the fiscal cliff tomorrow but as far as what we know right now the administration says the president has already laid out his plan. it's a plan he says would cut the defi
'll still be wealthy. >> reporter: while john boehner agreed ballparks ises in, he said -- bipartisan cooperation is necessary, he said the president's plan is wrong >> we are not going to hurt our economy. >>> that cia sex scandal highlights the insecurities of e-mail. but there are more ways than ever to hide sensitive documents and erase your footsteps. len ramirez shows us how. >> this tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds. >> reporter: there has always been a need to protect sensitive information. whether it's a corporation dealing with trade secrets or a senator trying to hide an adulterous affair. our information more vulnerable than ever. >> the biggest concern is the security of the information in the cloud. >> reporter: the cloud based in san jose has been doubling in size the last two years by creating software that encrypts e-mail to make it unreadable to any outsider. >> if you're not going through our gateway, all you'd see is gibberish. >> reporter: it's designed as a business security system. >> consumer data. >> reporter: but there's an emerging market for consumer pr
cliff. -- and john boehner talked about the fiscal flat. president obama will be at the riesling say -- wreath laying ceremony 11 am eastern on c- span. >> 2013 should be the year we begin to solve our debt through tax and form an entitlement reform. i propose we avert the fiscal cliff together in a manner that ensures the 2013 is the year are government comes to grips with the major problems facing us. >> i am open to compromise. i am open to new ideas. i am committed to solving our fiscal challenges. but, i did used to expect -- except in the approach that is not balanced. i will not ask students and seniors and middle-class families to pay down the entire deficit while people like me making over $250,000 aren't asked to pay a dime more in taxes kerry >> the newly elected congress starts work and to january but the current congress has work to do at the end of the year. work is expected on the impending fiscal cliff, x -- including the expiration of the bush eric tax cuts, raising the debt ceiling implant gus to domestic and military spending. loorow all the florida th debates. >>
? john boehner indicated, revenue is possible, but we're not raising tax rates. where is there compromise? >> i think where there's going to be a compromise on taxes, this be would be a good thing on the economy, might exchange lower tax rates in return for a reduction in all the loopholes that as it is distort economic activity. so if boehner were able to achieve that kind of compromise, that's one that the republicans could be pleased with. the bush tax cuts are gone, they're expiring, and the president said that 250,000 below, he wants that extended, but for those making more than 250, will the bush tax cuts come to an end? >> i don't think so. i think actually the they won't come to an end because the democrats don't want major reduction in spending, if you hit the cliff, the spending would go down and politicians love to spend money. an extension of the bush tax cuts, less we're blessed by the relatively few, jeff baso, the late steve jobs, you want to remove the barriers to their production, not raise them. >> mike: john, we're not going over this cliff, are we. >> there's no way we
that in place we are removing half of the fiscal cliff. >> speaker john boehner offered what he considers a balanced approach generating the revenue from tax reform and entitlement reform. late today, boehner said the president's position is flawed. >> we are not going to hurt our economy an make job creation more difficult. which is exactly what that plan would do. >> letter sent by the u.s. chamber of commerce and signed by 232 organizations calls on the president and congress to immediately extend all the tax cuts and find other cuts to replace sequestration. the president suggested taking a closer look at reforming entitlements without offing details and says he would like to simplify the tax code. mr. obama says he wants congress to act now to extend tax cut for middle class and try to avoid boxing himself in on upcoming negotiation. >> i'm open to come plo mize and new ideas. i have been encouraged for republicans to agree to more revenue as part of the arithmetic if we are serious to reduce deficit. >> the top republican in senate who is a key player in upcoming talks says raising
to recognize, look, john boehner is put on the table this notion of revenues and we think you can get that through growth. we think that you can get that through reforming the tax code. gregg: right. >> but we --. gregg: so you're telling me and the president and white house are just bluffing say, no deal on rates? >> well we've heard this. we heard he will get out of guantanamo. he would cut the deficit in half. all these sorts of things are declarations. but when it comes down to it i think the president does sign an extension because it is the smart move. look, the pathway to move forward is to reform the tax code. where there is such a high level of dissatisfaction, the opportunity is for the president to bring people together around the dissatisfaction and come up with a new, more competitive tax code. gregg: come january, here's what is going to happen. i want to put this up on the screen for our viewers. 158 million americans will be affected. after an average tax hike of $3500. that means that 88% of the households are going to be seeing their taxes go up. as you know, the cbo
democrats and republicans stop it all. house speaker john boehner wants a deal on spending cuts. president obama says that is not enough. >> if we're serious about reducing the deficit we have to combine cuts with revenue. >> joining us is jonathan strong. even if tax rates went up on the wealthiest households earning more than $250,000 a year the president, as the president demands, this would actually do almost nothing to reduce the deficit. i look at the joint tax committee report of conscious saying it would reduce the deficit only by 7%. that is 7% out of $1.1 trillion. in many ways is the president's solution more of an illusion? >> he is trying to sell this as a matter of fairness. he seems to be making progress politically on that front. you have a good point. another good question, there isn't any theory this would help the economy. the estimates are it would hurt this the economy. is now the right time for that? people are still hurting out there. >> gregg: the president is claiming, you heard him say this -- he has a mandate for raising taxes. i'll quote him. he said on tuesday
:00 we should note speaker john boehner, the leader of the house will hold an on-camera press briefing. that is at 11:00 a.m. we will carry that on c-span and c-span radio. some discussion about what the republican position will be heading into those negotiations. of "theay's edition washington post." i went to. the to the front page story of -- i want to point you to the front page story of "usa today." again, that is john boehner talking about putting off some of the bigger deals until after the new year and when the new congress sets. we are talking about the next four years and what you like to see president obama address. vicki is from virginia on the republican line. caller: good morning. i would like to see a few things. maybe a flat tax. maybe they could agree on something like that. i cannot understand why the rich should pay more. i understand a lot of the deductions. it seems like the people who do not have to do not want anyone else to have it. if you have a sucker, why should you give me your sucker? it is yours? i think it will hurt the country by doing that. i agree with
into hands because we are sick of it. and, you know, what i would like to tell john boehner is don't give in to this craziness. this is nothing but craziness. and i watched harry reid yesterday. you know, he talked and he talked and he really said nothing. then he went on about dance, dance, dance and i thought to myself all you do is dance around with these bills that they send. the house will have a bill, they send it to the senate and what does he do? dances around it and never addresses it. >> host: know by partisanship than for you? >> caller: no, absolutely none. then when he left the stage and was walking off, the man -- i feel bad for him that he just can't get it together -- he grabbed ahold of the flag. he was falling. then he grabbed ahold of low wall and at that point i said uh oh that man needs to go home. he's too old to be there. he doesn't do his job and is collecting a big paycheck. >> host: we covered that news conference. you probably watched it on c-span, go over to the site, c-span.org if you want to watch the entire press conference with senate majority leader harry
we have seen john boehner say he did not think major decision should be made by outgoing members to of ever been outbid by the public or are retiring. he is pushing for something like a bridge to get us past the fiscal cliff and into next year. 2013 will be the year for these big deals on entitlements, taxes, and spending. >> the president has invited the leaders to the white house. what else is happening in this coming week that people need to know about? >> the republicans will have their leadership elections. we are expecting that john boehner will remain the speaker and erick cantor will be the number two. there is not any major legislation on the floor of the house that we are expecting. >> the president is speaking again on wednesday on this and other issues. >> and using his post as the election pulpit to start the process. >> absolutely. >> a thank you for being here. an interesting couple weeks ahead for us to watch. >> tomorrow, roger daltrey and pete townshend of the who will talk about their program on childhood and young adult cancer. onid cameron's speech foreign po
. the fact of the matter is that john boehner might not be able to get a majority of his caucus to vote for any tax plan to put together with president obama. the democrats have to deliver and nancy is part of that. >> let us listen she was asked about her age she did not like that. >> some of your colleagues privately say they york decision to stay on prohibits the party from having a younger leadership. and hurts the party in the long term. >> what is your response? >> (audiaence gasps) >> discrimination! >> she says that the entire chinook's. gray.. for 72 years old. --she looks great-472 years old. and follow michael yaki. a half after 72 years old, she looks great. >> cloudy, cool, late evening rainfall. showers are of the day and the same on tuesday. the storm to the south is moving to the bay area. and all these clouds associated with the enormity storms but this is a rare chance that we could see this coming up from the south. it could start in the south bay first which is rare. warmer with the additional cloud coverage. mainly in the 40's with 50s for the bayshore. into the af
assess what's going to happen with republicans like speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell? how does the president persuade them to lay down their pledges to grover norquist and commit to the nation? >> well, ultimately the president is not going to persuade them. ultimately the voters have to persuade them. i think john boehner and a few others in the republican party have got to tell eric cantor and paul ryan and michele bachmann and a lot of the tea partiers in that party, if you continue to insist that taxes are not going to be increased on the rich, we are not going to ever gain or regain control of the senate. we're going to lose control of the house in 2014, 2016. we're going to become a permanent minority party because it makes no sense to most americans. >> hit them where it hurts. professor robert reich, thank you. >>> next, how far will the president go in the showdown against john mccain. >>> but first, hampton pearson has the cnbc market wrap. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. we saw stocks move lower again on more wall street fears of going over the fiscal cliff. the d
, a republican like john boehner? >> reporter: you know, we've been asking whether or not there will be a press conference happening any time soon. so far, no confirmation of that. lock back over history. former president bush had a press conference about two days after he was re-elected, former president bill clinton had a press conference about three days after he was re-elected. so if history is repeated here, we expect that the president would, indeed, have a press conference some time soon but the white house not confirming that yet. >> all right. dan lothian, reporting live from the white house. >>> in the wake of his re-election, we're learning of another milestone for president obama. he now holds the record for the most popular tweet ever. he took the title from none other than justin bieber. president obama posted this photo on twitter and facebook tuesday night when his victory was certain. now this image is the most retweeted and liked fophoto in social media history. more than 784,000 retweets on twitter and nearly 4 million likes on facebook. >>> voters in two states say yes to po
for the wealthy. >> while members are not supportive of the tax plan, john boehner are urging them to make compromise, something president obama senior adviser david axelrod called encouraging. >> there's money to be gained by closing some of these loopholes and applying them to deficit reductions. >> one half of those automatic spending cuts would affect the defense department's budget. david martin shows us what that means for the military. >> reporter: the dreaded sequestration would double the $500 billion in cuts the pentagon is already planning to make over the next decade. defense secretary panetta has not minced words. >> if sequestration goes into effect it's a disaster for national defense. >> reporter: the strategy of pivoting away from the wars in iraq and afghanistan towards the pacific and an emerging chinese superpower would come undone. >> all of that can go to hell if this congress doesn't face up and deal with the issue of sequestration. >> reporter: in this letter to senators panetta warned by the time sequestration was over the u.s. would have the smallest ground force
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